Taylor Parker: Part 2, Reagan Hancock, Braxlynn Sage, and the Lie That Collapsed

[00:00:01] Adam Cox: today on the Compendium, we are diving back into one of the most horrific crime scenes Texas has ever witnessed .

It wasn't a sudden change in Taylor It had been building for years a deception involving fake illnesses, fake identities, imaginary inheritances, and fabricated pregnancies.

where New lies are created to cover old lies.. .

And so up until now, no one had really come to any serious or lethal danger, . That was until Reagan, Simmons Hancock.

The scene was horrifying and investigators stepped carefully around pools of amniotic fluid while forensic teams worked to preserve evidence.

[00:00:42] Kyle Risi: Oh my God.

[00:00:43] Adam Cox: The 21-year-old stomach had been cut open and the charge she'd been carrying for 35 weeks had been removed from her body.

And suddenly Taylor's version of events, , it was never going to stand up in court.

This is premeditated and pure evil. .

[00:00:59] Kyle Risi: this has got to be the most horrifying case we have ever done on the compendium 100%.







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You know, I use approved calming techniques. Most of it is inappropriate and sexual, obviously, like just encouraging taps and gentle affirmations. Like, you can do this, it's not over for you. What

[00:02:23] Adam Cox: are

[00:02:24] Kyle Risi: you? And also ritual lit adjustments.

[00:02:26] Adam Cox: Are you trying to encourage the unpopped kernels? Like, come on, you can do this.

You can pop.

[00:02:32] Kyle Risi: Oh yeah, of course. Adam, did you not know if there's an unpopped corn? It's a psychological barrier that the popcorn machine is having to deal with. Hence why there's unpopped corns, corns kernels.

[00:02:43] Adam Cox: Wow, you really make up some shit.

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You know,

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[00:03:59] Adam Cox: Okay. So enough of the housekeeping because Kyle, today on the Compendium, we are diving back into an assembly of fake pregnancies, a history of lies, and one of the most horrific crime scenes Texas has ever witnessed.

[00:04:13] Kyle Risi: Yes. Oh my God, Adam, the end of that last episode about Taylor Parker. I am a little bit disappointed in myself for not seeing that coming.

[00:04:24] Adam Cox: I mean, you did pick up that you weren't really sure about some of the lies that she was spouting.

[00:04:29] Kyle Risi: Yeah, I was very suspicious of her, but I just did not know that she would go to the point that she would be doing a foetal abduction.

Oh my God. That poor woman.

So I'm really desperate to find out exactly what this woman's come up and is gonna be but the thing is though, they've also arrested, Wayne.

So They've handcuffed him at the least. So yeah. God knows what he must be thinking. 'cause you said that he thought that he was being busted for the delivery of the hogs across state lines. Yeah, exactly. Guys, if you've not listened to the first part of this, then I'd suggest you go back and listen. It is a wild story, by the way.

Is there a documentary coming?

[00:05:06] Adam Cox: There may be a documentary. I may have jimmied this in between a documentary release on, Netflix.

[00:05:11] Kyle Risi: Adam, it is gonna be massive.

we missed the boat completely on the crash documentary that came out not that long ago. People are still talking about it online and it's two months later.

[00:05:20] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm.

[00:05:20] Kyle Risi: This is gonna be wild and massive.

[00:05:23] Adam Cox: Absolutely. So I'm

[00:05:24] Kyle Risi: excited, I'm excited to find out what happened.

[00:05:26] Adam Cox: So we're gonna explore the motivations behind Taylor Parker's actions, the increasingly elaborate deceptions that convinced friends, family, and wade that she was carrying a child. And the moment those lies finally began to collapse, we'll retrace the horrifying murder of Reagan Hancock and her mother's discovery that would send shockwaves across Texas.

[00:05:47] Kyle Risi: Yeah. God. What must her mother be thinking? 'cause she just ended up being just an old lady in the end, not capable of harassment, not harassing her daughter.

[00:05:54] Adam Cox: Oh, Taylor's mother. Yeah. Yes.

[00:05:55] Kyle Risi: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:56] Adam Cox: And we're gonna be following the investigation as it unravelled one of the most disturbing crimes we've ever covered on the compendium.

[00:06:04] Kyle Risi: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:06:05] Adam Cox: And then Kyle, we're not gonna end there. We're gonna head into the courtroom because even with the overwhelming evidence stacked against Taylor, Taylor wasn't ready to stop lying.

[00:06:15] Kyle Risi: Are you telling me she plead not guilty?

[00:06:18] Adam Cox: Let's just say she's got a few tricks up her sleeve.

[00:06:20] Kyle Risi: Oh my God, this woman makes me so angry.

[00:06:23] Adam Cox: Yeah, the nerve, actually, the first part was a bit of a wild ride of all the lies, but actually this woman to be, let's face it, she is evil.

[00:06:32] Kyle Risi: She is evil. And the thing is though, now that we know what she has done, because all throughout the last episode, it was all speculation, right?

Is she pregnant? Is she lying? Is she really a, an heir to this multimillion dollar black fortune? Now that we know that she's lying, I think it gives us licence to stop the speculating, put that aside, and start hating on this bitch for what she's done.

[00:06:52] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. So before we get into the second part of the story, just gonna quickly remind ourselves where we left things, because on October the ninth, 2020, Taylor Parker arrives at hospital in Oklahoma claiming she had just given birth on a Texas highway. She was covered in blood and a newborn baby girl was in her arms.

And at first everyone believed they were dealing with this traumatic roadside birth. But as doctors began examining Taylor, the story quickly started to unravel because the medical staff determined that Taylor had not recently given birth.

In fact, she wasn't pregnant at all.

[00:07:27] Kyle Risi: Yeah. 'cause that doctor was caught on camera saying there's no way that baby came

[00:07:31] Adam Cox: outta there. Came out with her. Yeah.

[00:07:33] Kyle Risi: Yeah. Damn.

[00:07:34] Adam Cox: And the baby she brought to the hospital obviously then wasn't hers. And suddenly there's this horrifying question.

If Taylor wasn't the mother, then where was the real one? And within hours, investigators had the answer to that question because a young woman named Reagan Hancock having found murdered inside her home in New Boston, Texas.

[00:07:54] Kyle Risi: And she was just 21, wasn't she?

[00:07:55] Adam Cox: She was, yeah. And her unborn daughter had been taken from her body and the woman claiming to be the baby's mother had instantly become the prime suspect.

Now, ordinarily that's where most true crime stories would begin, but this case is a little bit different because prosecutors would later argue that what happened in October of 2020 didn't appear out of nowhere.

It wasn't a sudden change in Taylor just kind of flipped the switch. It had been building for years a deception involving fake illnesses, fake identities, imaginary inheritances, and fabricated pregnancies. And a woman who seemed capable of convincing almost everyone around her, that her fiction was reality.

[00:08:37] Kyle Risi: That's it. Yeah. She had a propensity for lies and deceit, like nonstop sounds like really elaborate stuff as well.

[00:08:45] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm.

[00:08:46] Kyle Risi: after we left that episode, the thing that kept coming back to me was after she had. Told Wade that her mother took her life in prison only to find out that she hadn't killed herself.

And then immediately after that, they get invited to Christmas dinner and Wade is meeting the family for the first time.

So God knows what he must been thinking going, like she's called all this hero ruckus. She's messed up our lives. the police have said that she's committed suicide.

And then they've invited us to dinner and then she's trying to act as if like, well, why you not getting involved in the Christmas luncheon? Do you know what I mean?

[00:09:17] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm.

[00:09:17] Kyle Risi: What must he have been thinking, which made me think he's an idiot.

but she did explain it. And that's what I mean is she was able to convince him.

[00:09:24] Adam Cox: Exactly.

[00:09:25] Kyle Risi: Otherwise. So that shows her ability to deceive.

[00:09:28] Adam Cox: And the thing is though, as we're about to find out, is that ability to deceive started years and years ago, she had time to basically become a perfectionist at it.

[00:09:39] Kyle Risi: Yeah. Pathological liar, manipulator.

[00:09:41] Adam Cox: Yeah.

Now Taylor, she grew up in Mount Pleasant, Texas with her parents, mark Shona and her brother, who FYI is definitely, just a regular mom. She's not got a connection with the mafia or anything like that.

And at first glance, her childhood looked fairly normal. She did well in school. She played sports cheerleading and her parents loved her.

Nothing outwardly suggested the person she was going to become.

However, multiple people who later spoke about Taylor, described her as someone who frequently told or exaggerated the truth. From a young age, several former classmates claimed she would invent dramatic scenarios involving illness, family problems, or personal crisis.

Now some of these were quite extreme. And apparently Taylor had told classmates that she had cancer. Oh. Or that her family had mafia connections. So she was starting that one pretty young.

[00:10:34] Kyle Risi: Yeah. But the fact that she was suddenly people, she had cancer, I just cannot get over people that do that. Belle Gibson did the same thing, and it's just so infuriating because cancer is an awful thing.

And the second you tell someone that you've got cancer, you cannot help but feel sympathy for because cancer is awful. And so is that, what's the motivation behind this is just a tension that she's looking for?

[00:10:56] Adam Cox: I think so. Yeah. She would invent these medical conditions, to, get sympathy to get, you know, get her way into certain people's lives.

Witnesses testified that she false claim to suffer from, various illnesses. So not just cancer. Now Taylor's parents eventually divorced and she later lived primarily with her father while her younger brother remained with their mother.

Now, friends and acquaintances later described Taylor as struggling emotionally during parts of her teenage years, including periods of anxiety and low self-esteem.

Now, there's also repeated claims from former classmates that Taylor falsely claimed to be pregnant on multiple occasions during her school years.

[00:11:36] Kyle Risi: Wow.

[00:11:37] Adam Cox: Then claim to have miscarriages. So she is like 16 at this point, saying that she was pregnant and had a miscarriage .

[00:11:44] Kyle Risi: This girl has got problems.

[00:11:46] Adam Cox: Now, apparently there was another student that was genuinely pregnant and what Taylor used to do was manipulate the photographs, perhaps using computer software to put her face on this person's body.

[00:11:59] Kyle Risi: As a way of bullying or like, what was the purpose of this

[00:12:01] Adam Cox: so she could use that image to Yeah,

[00:12:03] Kyle Risi: but that doesn't make sense. So she's posting these pictures on social media and then she's showing up at school With no belly.

[00:12:08] Adam Cox: I, yeah, it doesn't make sense, but this is the kind of thing that she would do. Yeah. Now, I dunno if necessarily she's putting on like a social media, it might have been putting on dating profile. I have no idea. A

[00:12:18] Kyle Risi: dating profile, but yeah, like other sites where she's not speaking to her classmates where she can be like a different person.

[00:12:24] Adam Cox: Exactly. And I think it demonstrates a pattern that she develops early on. So by the time that she meets Wade she knows all the answers. Just to say she's practised being pregnant or she has been pregnant, but she's got all this knowledge of faking these illnesses and whatever it might be that Yeah, 10 years down the line, she can just recall stuff off the back of her house.

[00:12:44] Kyle Risi: Sure. And she's so well versed in just being deceitful, but also probably a pathological element there as well where she probably doesn't even know that she's lying sometimes.

And what tends to happen with these people is that do have pathological lying problems is they will just lie for the sake of lying.

And then they don't ever wanna be called out in the discovery of that lie. And so it just perpetuates and compounds and goes further and further. And

[00:13:08] Adam Cox: so a new lie is created to cover an old lie.

[00:13:11] Kyle Risi: Yeah, I can imagine She has gotten herself into a big titty, I don't believe even no matter how evil she is, I think she even intended to want to go down this route of having to have killed this woman to steal her baby. Right. It's just a means to an end something that she had to do in order to cover up her tracks.

[00:13:28] Adam Cox: Yes. And we'll go into other things that she tried to do in order to get a baby before this.

[00:13:34] Kyle Risi: Oh God.

[00:13:35] Adam Cox: Now, one of her first boyfriends is a guy called Tommy and Taylor's just 18 now, according to Tommy, the relationship moved very quickly in the beginning. They got married early on and Taylor was very in him early on.

[00:13:49] Kyle Risi: Very obsessed.

Intense. Yes. And intense girlfriend.

[00:13:52] Adam Cox: But then according to Tommy and others who later spoke publicly about Taylor, the marriage slowly became dominated by financial pressure, medical crisis, and increasingly elaborate personal stories.

Does this sound familiar?

[00:14:05] Kyle Risi: Oh yeah. Very much so. This is exactly what we covered last episode.

[00:14:08] Adam Cox: This was her like practising ground, I guess.

One of the biggest, lies involved Taylor's family. She alleged, that she came from significant wealth, like generational money, but this time not from the black syrup fortune, but from, uh, Morton, salt Fortune. So yeah, a different company, but

[00:14:24] Kyle Risi: Morton Salt, we use Morton Salt.

[00:14:27] Adam Cox: So yeah, apparently she was due a large inheritance because she was part of that family. But of course, that money never appeared. And so that put a gap between Taylor and Tommy quite early on

[00:14:38] Kyle Risi: Why? Because he was after the money.

[00:14:40] Adam Cox: I think he was promised that there's gonna be money coming and equally there was this financial burden that, was going on in their marriage as well. So it basically is a like, for, like copy of what happened with Wade? Pretty

[00:14:53] Kyle Risi: much. Yeah. She's got her Mo hasn't she?

[00:14:55] Adam Cox: Yeah. And again, very early on she was painting a dark picture of her mother to Tommy saying that she was manipulative, dangerous, controlling, actively trying to sabotage her life.

And by her early twenties, Taylor's life had already become complicated. She was already a mother or two. She'd had her first child as a teenager and later had a son with Tommy.

Now it's also reported during this period that Taylor underwent gastric band surgery in Mexico and lost a significant amount of weight afterward.

[00:15:25] Kyle Risi: Oh, she actually did go through that. So that she's not making that up. What was she telling people though?

[00:15:29] Adam Cox: I dunno what she was telling people at the time, but that apparently was legitimate and the transformation was quite dramatic. She lost a lot of weight, but around that time she was diagnosed with legitimate gynaecological issues, including endometriosis,

[00:15:42] Kyle Risi: endometriosis. Yeah, ~it's, ~it's a bit of a, like a mystery for a lot of doctors. They still don't know what causes it. Sometimes you can also have cysts and stuff on your ovaries, but Yeah.

Brutal. I do wonder though, so when she was in her younger years, was she quite overweight then? And do you think that a lot of the lies in the attention was from a low self-esteem, wanting the attention because she was maybe struggling with health issues. Because having gastric band surgery is not something that you just flippantly go and do, right?

[00:16:12] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm.

[00:16:13] Kyle Risi: It would be a large resort because depending on the type of gastric band surgery you get, they could just put a band in there. Sure, that can be reversed, but if you get like part of your stomach taken out, that's irreversible.

[00:16:23] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm.

[00:16:23] Kyle Risi: So I'm wondering if a lot of this comes down to low self-esteem.

[00:16:26] Adam Cox: They did say that, she did suffer from low self-esteem, particularly after the breakdown of her parents' marriage. So maybe, I mean that's no reason for the way that she behaved later on, but perhaps that's why she struggled, why she perhaps lies.

But I think, you know, people might exaggerate when they're a teenager, but she told some very dark lies, I think.

And with the problems with her uterus, this is when she underwent a hysterectomy connected to those complications from that condition.

[00:16:54] Kyle Risi: Oh yeah. And you said it was a partial hysterectomy, right? Think so, where they didn't take all of it. They might have just maybe taken a bit of a fallopian tube out or whatever.

Or maybe the ovaries, I don't know. ~But, ~but then she did go off to have more children. So was this after she'd had her children?

[00:17:06] Adam Cox: Yeah. She'd already had two children by this point. And then she, has this condition, which this one is real and that's when she has part of her, yeah. Reproductive system removed.

[00:17:15] Kyle Risi: Sure. So I'm assuming a part hysterectomy is where they probably just left behind the womb? Likely,

[00:17:21] Adam Cox: One friendship in particular around this period which would stand out, is a woman called Caitlyn Glass. Now, she had suffered with multiple cirrhosis according to Caitlyn, Taylor soon began claiming that she had MS as well.

[00:17:35] Kyle Risi: Really?

[00:17:36] Adam Cox: Caitlyn said that she became suspicious because Taylor always appeared to mirror the same symptoms, experiences and struggled to connect with her own sort of diagnosis.

And by this point people around Taylor were beginning to notice a pattern, not just exaggeration, but this, yeah. This imitation. She would be copying other people, really paying attention to what was going on in their life and then using that to back up her lies essentially.

[00:17:59] Kyle Risi: So I guess she's got access to these people with these illnesses, but she's also seeing like the girl that was pregnant in her school, the sympathy and the attention that she was getting, right?

Mm-hmm. And so people can't help her be compassionate and she probably wants that. I'm wondering if whether or not that's something that she's thriving off, but in order to fuel that, she's obviously using these people that she's familiar with in real life to get information around their illnesses and stuff.

[00:18:22] Adam Cox: Yeah. Also around this time, Taylor becomes heavily involved in a local Jeep club on off-road community,

[00:18:29] Kyle Risi: a Jeep club.

[00:18:30] Adam Cox: Yeah. So something that she had persuaded Tommy to get her. She was like, I really want a Jeep. And so he buys her a Jeep

[00:18:37] Kyle Risi: when they're having financial problems.

[00:18:38] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm. Exactly.

[00:18:39] Kyle Risi: Very responsible. But don't worry, she's got a fortune coming, right?

[00:18:42] Adam Cox: Yeah. So it's, not a problem. So, I dunno, he still loves her and everything like that, so he gets her this cheap and so what that meant is Taylor would go on these cheap meetups and events and weekend trips around the country.

[00:18:55] Kyle Risi: It sounds like she's dogging. It does. It really does.

[00:18:59] Adam Cox: Well she often said that she was attending like nursing school or some kind of medical training during those absences to justify that she was away from the family. 'cause remember she's got two young kids at this point.

[00:19:09] Kyle Risi: Oh, I see. Okay.

[00:19:10] Adam Cox: But actually that was just a cover story because several people later claims that Taylor starts having an affair with other members of the Jeep community.

[00:19:19] Kyle Risi: And at this point, she's still married to Tommy, albeit they're probably having issues in the relationship, right?

[00:19:25] Adam Cox: Well, yeah, probably there's the strain with the finance and just maybe he's fed up off some of her lies and stuff like that. But the thing is, she says to other people in the Jeep community that Tommy is controlling and abusive to basically justify her behaviour with her new set of friends.

[00:19:42] Kyle Risi: Yeah, yeah.

[00:19:43] Adam Cox: This is the man that loves her and has just given her a Jeep.

[00:19:45] Kyle Risi: Yeah, exactly.

[00:19:46] Adam Cox: And that's how she repays him.

[00:19:48] Kyle Risi: Piece of work.

[00:19:49] Adam Cox: He of course finds out and not long after that files for divorce taking primary care of their son.

Because let's face it, it doesn't feel like Taylor has really any focus on being a good mother.

[00:20:00] Kyle Risi: No. She, you said at one point she doesn't get custody of this younger boy, is it Trey, is his name? I,

[00:20:05] Adam Cox: Yes. Yeah.

[00:20:06] Kyle Risi: So she doesn't get custody and that's because of course a court was seeing like, well actually you're out on the jollies at this Jeep club.

Dogging.

[00:20:14] Adam Cox: Yeah. Exactly. So she's not, the well is not probably equipped to be the primary caregiver, given that Tommy's better suited to this.

[00:20:22] Kyle Risi: Sure.

[00:20:22] Adam Cox: And the thing is, this is the complete opposite impression. She always tried to give her partners about wanting children.

She was like, yeah, I love being a mother, I love being pregnant. And fair enough, maybe she likes that sort of fairy tale, but when it comes to actually doing the work of being a parent, eh, she couldn't really care less

[00:20:38] Kyle Risi: Well, it sounds like she's using these pregnancies anyway, purely just to trap her men, right?

[00:20:44] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm.

[00:20:44] Kyle Risi: It's, uh, it's interesting because at first Wayne didn't really want the child. He didn't feel like they were in a financial position to have a child, but he did warm up to it.

And so while it didn't start out as, intended for her in terms of the entrapment, he eventually warmed round to the situation. And he did want to have that kid, didn't he?

[00:21:02] Adam Cox: Exactly. Yeah.

[00:21:03] Kyle Risi: And I think that's what she's using it for here in these instances,

[00:21:06] Adam Cox: I think it's quite hard for someone to leave straight away after they've been told that actually you are gonna be a father.

[00:21:12] Kyle Risi: Yeah.

And the thing is though, she must be picking her men quite, strategically as well, knowing that these are men that she could potentially manipulate anyway.

So she's probably done a, maybe a, subconscious vetting of these people knowing that yeah, I know how to, uh, pull their strings

[00:21:26] Adam Cox: quite possibly.

Yeah. And similarly, this was the case with her next husband, hunter Parker. So we haven't gone on to Wayne yet.

According to people who knew the couple, the relationship moved very quickly in the beginning. So again, very, very similar. But the thing is, hunter wanted to have a family, but we know from this point in time that Taylor was unable to have any more kids.

[00:21:46] Kyle Risi: Right. Okay.

[00:21:47] Adam Cox: But she didn't tell Hunter that. ~That, ~and he only found out that she had a hysterectomy during a medical appointment.

When the doctor revealed the condition, which Hunter was unaware of, he was like, what, what? He never told me about

[00:21:59] Kyle Risi: this.

Yeah. And he is like, I'm heading into a future with you where I see children. And you knew that and you never said anything.

[00:22:07] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm. So that creates this major tension within the relationship. And after that, people close to the couple, say Taylor became intensely focused on finding a surrogate. Two of her friends at the time, would corroborate this and would testify against her in court. They said just how obsessed Taylor had become.

Both women said that Taylor had given them a very different explanation for the reason why she had had a hysterectomy uhhuh. And rather than saying that the procedure was linked to complications from.

[00:22:35] Kyle Risi: The endometriosis

[00:22:37] Adam Cox: that she

[00:22:38] Kyle Risi: had. Yes. Yeah.

[00:22:39] Adam Cox: Taylors claimed that cancer had destroyed her uterus, leaving her unable to have children. So again, she's coming up with this cancer lie.

[00:22:48] Kyle Risi: Yeah. I don't know. I can, I can't pretend to understand especially when they're so elaborate. Right. Cancer just doesn't go away.

[00:22:55] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm.

[00:22:55] Kyle Risi: Like you've gotta have to go through all this treatment and as a lie that you are architecting there. That's just way more than I can even be bothered with having to like, oh, now I'm going to the doctors. I've gotta pretend I'm taking medication. I've gotta pretend I'm being real sick. What's a line of thinking? I don't get it.

[00:23:13] Adam Cox: I think she used this to speak to her friends to get sympathy, like we know. And then hopefully she was gonna be able to then convince them to become a surrogate for her.

[00:23:24] Kyle Risi: Oh, she's targeting these women to be her surrogates.

[00:23:26] Adam Cox: That's right. Her friends.

And she's offering more than a hundred thousand dollars, which of course she doesn't have, but this is what she's offering them to carry a child on her behalf.

[00:23:34] Kyle Risi: Molten salt fortune guys. Yeah. Molten salt.

[00:23:38] Adam Cox: Both women declined. I think they obviously had sympathy for her, but they were like, we're not gonna do that. You know? Yeah. They wanted to have kids themselves.

In fact, one of her friends, Mackenzie, testified that she had struggled to conceive herself. And during that time, Taylor became heavily involved in her fertility journey.

She attended appointments, checked in, constantly, followed every update with just wanting to know what was going on. Which, yeah. Is kind of creepy.

[00:24:01] Kyle Risi: It is. I mean, it depends though, because we know which angle she's coming from because of course if she's doing this because she genuinely has concern for a friend, that's amazing. But we know she's probably just studying this for whatever she's got cooking up.

[00:24:16] Adam Cox: Yeah. And then when Mackenzie eventually did become pregnant, Taylor was thrilled. And when she learned that the baby was a girl, even better. Another friend Abby,~ um,~ so this is the other friend, described a very similar experience. Mm-hmm. But the thing is, when Abby became pregnant, she found out she was having a boy. Soon as Taylor found out about that, she called off. So she was targeting Mackenzie very specifically because she was having a girl,

[00:24:40] Kyle Risi: Oh my God. Because she was trying to get her baby and she wanted a girl.

[00:24:43] Adam Cox: I think so. And I think whether she was gonna come up with a plan to fake a pregnancy, but because she probably could use the scans and things like that, that she had with her own child.

I'm just thinking, was she trying to use some of her own like documents and stuff like that to prove she was pregnant then would fake a pregnancy and then would somehow get the baby from Mackenzie?

[00:25:03] Kyle Risi: I'm so sorry, but to come back to that again, how does she think this is going to end?

Because Yeah, sure. She can go and grab her friend's ultrasound photographs and the documents and stuff, but there's gonna come a point where she's going to, to her due date.

How is she going to explain that to her partner?

Unless she's like dating some moron who doesn't understand how long babies ge date for.

[00:25:28] Adam Cox: Yeah. And so these two women, in hindsight, they felt like they had a very lucky escape.

[00:25:34] Kyle Risi: Yeah. You would think so. Mm-hmm. Especially when the news broke about Reagan.

[00:25:38] Adam Cox: Then another witness, a former coworker, Lindsay Brown, said that she experienced something very similar. Lindsay had previously suffered a miscarriage and had confided in Taylor about the trauma of losing her baby, but during her testimony, she became emotional as she described what happened next. She says that Taylor prayed on her and that as soon as she had lost her baby, Taylor was like, great, now you can carry a baby for me, essentially.

Oh. And it's like, that is not the right timing. Gives a woman a chance to grieve. She's just lost her baby and she's probably not gonna wanna carry yours.

[00:26:13] Kyle Risi: Exactly. If anything, once that person finally recovers from that trauma, she's probably gonna want to try again. Because that's the thing for a lot of women, I think the same thing happened to my sister when she fell pregnant the first time, and sadly lost it.

It was decided she was meant to be a mother. Mm-hmm. Do you know what I mean? So no way is a woman who's just had a miscarriage going to be like, oh yeah, the next one you can have.

[00:26:38] Adam Cox: Yeah.

[00:26:38] Kyle Risi: Two St. Dibs. Do you know what I mean? What is she thinking?

[00:26:41] Adam Cox: I've reserved 2026 for your baby, and then I'll follow up after that.

And so with Taylor not being able to get pregnant, not being able to find a child for Hunter, because he obviously wanted a family, their marriage starts to fall apart, but not just because of that, again, because of false promises of inheritance, money.

Apparently. Taylor does have a story ready. She says that Tim Hightower A family representative, which sounds like a character from Game of Thrones,

[00:27:07] Kyle Risi: Tim Hightower does.

[00:27:09] Adam Cox: she claimed Tim Hightower had been involved in a car accident on the way to meet them

[00:27:14] Kyle Risi: with the money.

[00:27:15] Adam Cox: Yep. And somehow she claimed that the money had disappeared and the chaos that followed,

[00:27:20] Kyle Risi: hang on. Is he carrying cash?

[00:27:22] Adam Cox: Carrying cash,

[00:27:25] Kyle Risi: yes. Okay. Of course it would have to be cash. And I was like, oh yeah, the money is in his account, but the crash lost the money. Yes. They've lost the bank account.

[00:27:32] Adam Cox: Someone, some raccoon came in, stole the

[00:27:34] Kyle Risi: money, stole the money. It's crazy. And it's all rhyming, doesn't it? It all rhymes with exactly what we know happened with Wayne. Right? Yeah. He got to the point where he was just so worn down by the lies and that started breaking down their relationship.

[00:27:47] Adam Cox: Exactly. And so Hunter is struggling to believe this lie about Tim Hightower. So to reassure him, Tim Hightower, in quote, mark sends Hunter a photograph of a blue duffle bag overflowing with cash for Taylor's like proof. See, the money was there. And so Hunter's like that image looks a bit suss. So he does a quick Google search and the first image to come up is blue duffle bag with cash.

[00:28:10] Kyle Risi: Right, okay.

[00:28:11] Adam Cox: The exact same way Yeah. That Tim Hyde Howard sent.

[00:28:13] Kyle Risi: Do you think that if, this case had happened today in the world of AI generated images that. Things would be so much easier for her.

She'd be like, oh, I need an ultrasound. Got it. AI generated. Damn AI revolution has just enabled a lot of people just like this chick,

[00:28:31] Adam Cox: to be honest. You don't need ai. I'll come onto it. There's a whole website for this.

[00:28:35] Kyle Risi: Oh really?

[00:28:36] Adam Cox: Yeah.

[00:28:36] Kyle Risi: Damn. Even like pregnancy P samples,

[00:28:40] Adam Cox: I dunno about that. That's another website.

So eventually the marriage does collapse and once again, Taylor finds herself starting over.

And so that brings us on to Wade. And by this point we already know much of what Taylor has told him wasn't true.

[00:28:56] Kyle Risi: Yeah.

[00:28:56] Adam Cox: One thing we didn't cover, in the first part was the fact that, Taylor, she had tried to do a good deed and offered to buy his mother Connie a new car.

At first, it seems incredibly generous until Taylor started missing the payments. And so suddenly Taylor had an explanation.

[00:29:12] Kyle Risi: A raccoon came in and stole the car payment.

[00:29:16] Adam Cox: Well, it was her that was covering the payments, but it was Connie that had the car. And so Taylor's like, Hmm, the car's got a fault. We're gonna have to get it recalled and get it repaired.

And so she takes the car to the garage to return it, and Connie's like, weeks go by, where's my car?

And eventually she calls up and says, there's no faults on that particular model.

What you talking about? And so this is one of the ways that Connie starts to understand that Taylor is a pathological liar.

[00:29:42] Kyle Risi: Sure. She was one of the first people that just kept having these like mini interventions with her son to say like, she's lying. She's probably not pregnant.

But where did she say the car was? Like, surely it's gone back to be recalled. Only to come back later on. But it just never did.

[00:29:59] Adam Cox: No. 'cause it got repossessed because she kept missing the payments.

[00:30:01] Kyle Risi: Oh, right. Ah, I see.

[00:30:03] Adam Cox: And so by the time prosecutors laid out the full picture at the trial, it became clear that Taylor's deception went far beyond exaggeration or wishful thinking according to investigators, she used spoofed phone numbers, fake email accounts, fabricated documents, and entire fictional personas to support her stories.

[00:30:21] Kyle Risi: Wow.

[00:30:22] Adam Cox: If a family member needed to call, someone would be calling.

And so Taylor Parker would use voice altering software, sometimes apps that would disguise her number to impersonate various people, including members of her family.

And if you remember, it was the dad or her dad that broke the news of the first miscarriage to Wade.

[00:30:41] Kyle Risi: Yes. And of course, she's had a hysterectomy, so she couldn't have even been pregnant with twins in the first place anyway.

[00:30:48] Adam Cox: Exactly. And Wade didn't find out about this until the trial. So it's just, you know, he's learning so much about Taylor.

[00:30:55] Kyle Risi: Can you imagine being in trial, like knowing your wife has done all this stuff? And then for that to come out, and then you're sitting there in the docks going, what But I had the phone call.

[00:31:05] Adam Cox: Yeah.

[00:31:06] Kyle Risi: And they go, well, here's the software she used.

[00:31:08] Adam Cox: Exactly.

[00:31:09] Kyle Risi: Damn.

[00:31:10] Adam Cox: And Wade says that she always had an answer for everything, and more importantly, she had backup paperwork on all of it.

The deeper he got into the relationship, the harder it became to separate fact from fiction. And because, contrary to what people assume, Wade wasn't blindly accepting everything he was told. He did have doubts, his family had doubts, his friends had doubts. And at various points, almost everyone around him questioned some part of Taylor's story.

But every time those doubts surfaced, Taylor somehow managed to explain it away.

[00:31:41] Kyle Risi: And it's because there's a tug of war there, right? There's a tug of war between obviously logic and fact and what other people are saying.

But then also the fact that you love this person, you care about them and you want to trust them as well. So I get it. Yeah. And it's not that Wayne is an idiot, just Wayne is just a trusting guide. You know what I mean?

[00:32:00] Adam Cox: I think so. Yeah. And then there was the pregnancy, obviously he, he is excited to be a father at one point, but Wade would say that he did repeatedly try to attend these appointments and be involved in the pregnancy.

Ah,

but there was always a reason why he couldn't because of the COVID restrictions at the time.

Exactly.

[00:32:15] Kyle Risi: Yeah.

[00:32:16] Adam Cox: And in some ways it was the perfect opportunity to fake a pregnancy. 'cause I doubt Taylor could have ever got away with it for so long, had it been any other time.

[00:32:25] Kyle Risi: Yeah.

And I think maybe she was counselling on Lucky Stars if it wasn't for COVID. And actually what would probably happen and what probably she was banking on, was probably faking a miscarriage at some point.

Do you know what I mean?

[00:32:37] Adam Cox: Yeah.

[00:32:38] Kyle Risi: But the COVID restrictions allowed her to continue on concealing this without too much trouble

[00:32:45] Adam Cox: with Yeah. For quite some time. Until the end. And because he had never experienced a pregnancy before, he only could go off what she was telling him. And as we know, we had, his friends or their friends corroborate saying they felt the baby kick. He then would be shown all these bits of documents that would confirm her pregnancy.

And then of course she'd looked pregnant. Yet Wade testified that it absolutely had no idea it was a prosthetic belly that she was wearing.

[00:33:10] Kyle Risi: Hang, hang on, hang on. I was gonna come to this.

I thought honestly she had just gained a few pounds. How can you be intimate with them and not know that she was wearing a prosthetic?

[00:33:23] Adam Cox: This is the bit I can't get my head round because I wanna understand Wade, and obviously he was tricked. He's somewhat of a victim in all of this as well, but I don't understand how he could have not seen that the belly was fake because it's either very realistic. He said when he would touch it, it would feel like a stomach.

But that also means he wouldn't have seen her naked or puff naked for several months, right?

[00:33:46] Kyle Risi: Yeah.

[00:33:46] Adam Cox: Like when she goes to shower, like what is that arrangement? How did she manage to get away with it?

[00:33:53] Kyle Risi: Yeah. Do you know what? I'm so reluctant to call Wade an idiot here. There must have been a logical explanation for why, must be,

[00:34:02] Adam Cox: I don't know. that You're sleeping together.

Now. doing some research. Where can you find one of these bellies essentially?

[00:34:08] Kyle Risi: Great question.

[00:34:09] Adam Cox: Right? So one website, it looked like it was geared towards film and tv, so it's very convincing, when you look at the pictures.

Mm-hmm. But I imagine that's quite expensive. Yeah. So I don't think she's gonna be going for one of those. Oh.

Where I think she went and I dunno if it's this site, it it was claimed on, one source I read, but this site does exist. You can go to it now. It's called faker baby.com.

[00:34:31] Kyle Risi: Can I go there now?

[00:34:32] Adam Cox: You can go there now and you can buy fake ultrasounds, pregnancy documents, and even fake bellies for like a hundred dollars.

Now, why would you wanna do this? Well, the website says if you wanna prank someone, but that is a very elaborate prank.

[00:34:47] Kyle Risi: Yeah, no, I mean that's what they say, to kind of sell this stuff. Otherwise it would be very unethical.

[00:34:53] Adam Cox: Yeah. It's if you wanna play a joke on your boss or your partner, but if you are coming in with a pregnant belly,

[00:34:59] Kyle Risi: yeah. Lemme quickly have a look at this website.

Faker baby.com reviews. Interesting.

Oh, okay. So I mean, straight away you can get fake sonograms. Four D fake ultrasounds as well. Personalised, fake proof of pregnancy documents.

[00:35:14] Adam Cox: That's what's so crazy.

[00:35:16] Kyle Risi: That's wild.

But Angela noticed that one of the documents contained the wrong name. how do you explain that?

[00:35:21] Adam Cox: That was a nurse's name?

So I think she just stolen another person's document.

[00:35:27] Kyle Risi: Sure.

So this is a lot of like documents and ultrasounds basically.

But in terms of the products that you can get, you can also get things like fake pregnancy bellies for as little as 9 99 Adam.

[00:35:42] Adam Cox: Yeah, but if you look at them, they don't even cover your full waist. There's no way you can, if you were to lift up your top Uhhuh, you would know that's a fake belly.

[00:35:50] Kyle Risi: yeah, for sure. Or you can get some fake titties. Dunno what for, just want of 'em. Yeah. You

[00:35:57] Adam Cox: get the whole package.

[00:35:58] Kyle Risi: Yeah. And I, if this is where she was getting them from then I um, yeah, Wade's an idiot.

[00:36:04] Adam Cox: I dunno if she did get it from them,

[00:36:06] Kyle Risi: but these sites exist, so.

[00:36:07] Adam Cox: Exactly.

[00:36:08] Kyle Risi: Especially with the documents, I'm assuming they would look quite legit. Right. No one's gonna be be inspecting a ultrasound document to go, I think this is fake. Yeah. Do you know what I mean?

[00:36:17] Adam Cox: Exactly.

[00:36:17] Kyle Risi: Where's the watermark?

[00:36:19] Adam Cox: And so it just feels like this website, whilst it's supposed to be a prank, it feels like they are encouraging a certain type of behaviour with this maybe.

I don't know, but yeah. Very weird.

So, yeah, I think we can say, was weighed a little bit ignorant I guess, or stupid. But the thing is, he would say that when he did doubt her, she would make him look stupid. Almost gaslight him, I guess, by saying, I can't believe you don't believe me, I'm carrying your child.

So I think that was her way of making him just, really well accept anything he, she said.

[00:36:50] Kyle Risi: Yeah, no, I can understand how that coupled with a bunch of other things would be easy to manipulate someone.

[00:36:56] Adam Cox: And I guess if you're starting to get excited about the prospect of having a child, I dunno how you've, you've that's what you are latched onto, isn't it?

And a bit

[00:37:04] Kyle Risi: of blindness there.

[00:37:05] Adam Cox: Yeah.

[00:37:05] Kyle Risi: Blinded

[00:37:05] Adam Cox: And so some people can say, he should have seen this coming and no way is he worse off than Reagan and her family by any means. But I do think he is, like I said, a somewhat of a victim in this.

He does occur a lot of debt. He's promised a child, his reputation is actually ruined. He loses his job. And no doubt he probably has a level of guilt over what's happened as well. Because he didn't identify or stop this from happening, did he?

[00:37:30] Kyle Risi: Oh my God, you're so right.

I didn't even think about that. I was just about to say you're completely wrong. He's not, a little bit of victim. He is 100% the victim. But yeah, think about the guilt as well. She's gone off, she's killed a woman essentially, and a baby.

Of course you could have prevented this had you seen through all the lies, Paul Wade,

[00:37:49] Adam Cox: so that, I think we have to be sympathetic to him.

[00:37:52] Kyle Risi: 100%. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:37:54] Adam Cox: Now his mother, of course, tried to warn him and confront him about it. And this made him question cause for his mom to do this, she must have some point, right?

Why would she do that otherwise? And it was the final few days where that confrontation happens. Where I think Taylor probably feels that kind of her grip, overweight, loosening. And that's when she finally decides to up the stakes and put the final part of her plan into action.

Oh, she was going to need a baby one way or another.

[00:38:21] Kyle Risi: So what we're saying is this is less of a premeditated, long bubbling thing than she's been planning for like eight months to something that is like, okay, people are expecting me a to fake a miscarriage. I cannot let that happen. Mm-hmm. And also now my partner is losing trust in me.

I'm gonna potentially lose him. Something drastic is going to need to happen. And so this is almost, I mean, it doesn't excuse it, but I wouldn't be surprised if her lawyers then used that as a, well, this wasn't a long bubbling thing. This was a spur of the moment desperation thing that she felt that she needed to do.

And quickly,

[00:38:57] Adam Cox: We'll come on to whether it was a spare of the moment thing, but I don't know if we can safely say that was, that was the end goal. That's what she would be doing.

[00:39:04] Kyle Risi: Sure. And she clearly was not thinking no matter what.

[00:39:06] Adam Cox: Like maybe she thought that she'd be able to get her hands on a baby. I don't know. Through other means, like surrogacy, maybe she could just steal a baby. Right. I dunno whether she always thought, oh, this was the way she

[00:39:17] Kyle Risi: did.

She did steal a baby. Being the most brutal way.

[00:39:19] Adam Cox: Yeah.

[00:39:20] Kyle Risi: I see what you're saying. Like go to a hospital and just NAB one I,

[00:39:22] Adam Cox: yeah. I think there's probably other options before she perhaps got to this.

[00:39:26] Kyle Risi: Yeah.

[00:39:26] Adam Cox: And so by early October, Taylor's due date had already come and gone.

And so up until now, most of the damage Taylor had caused, had fallen on the people closest to her. She had lied and betrayed, but no one had really come to any serious or lethal harm. I probably should say that was until Reagan, Simmons Hancock.

Friends describe Reagan as gentle, kindhearted, hardworking, the kind of person who kept going no matter how exhausted she was.

Even at 35 weeks pregnant, swollen ankles and all, she was still working shifts at a restaurant to help support her family.

[00:39:59] Kyle Risi: Shame.

[00:40:00] Adam Cox: she and her partner at Homer had only recently bought their first home together.

So back to October the ninth, 2020. And this bit is a bit of a difficult listen, and sometimes I avoid some of these details in other stories, but part of me felt not covering them today, doesn't really show the severity and the horror and the torture that Taylor inflicted on Reagan and why the outcome of Taylor is a hundred percent justified, in my opinion.

[00:40:26] Kyle Risi: Okay, I don't, not sure if I'm ready for this, really.

[00:40:29] Adam Cox: So police flooded the Hancock home shortly after Reagan's mother, Jessica had dialled 9 1 1. What happened next was described in court by Reagan's mother.

And honestly, it's one of the most heartbreaking parts of the entire case.

Jessica says that Reagan's husband couldn't get hold of her that morning. And at first it didn't immediately feel like an emergency, but something felt wrong enough.

So Jessica decided to drive over and check on her daughter herself.

And on the way she stopped at Reagan's daughter, Kimberly's daycare because Reagan would never keep Kinley home without saying anything to her mother, like if she was ill or something like that.

[00:41:05] Kyle Risi: Yeah.

[00:41:05] Adam Cox: And the daycare worker came back and said, Kimberly's not here. So immediately Jessica like, well, something's odd then, 'cause she would know.

So when she arrives at her daughter's house, the garage door was open and that immediately stood out to her, 'cause that's never left open. And then she notices blood on the driveway.

And at first she tries to rationalise it. She says that she thought maybe one of the dogs had cut their poor. It was something else. She's trying to avoid thinking the worst at this point.

But as she got closer, she saw more blood and then a bloody fingerprint on the doorknob. Inside she finds Regan lying face down on the floor. And even though later she says she already knew she couldn't help to scream for her daughter to respond to her, she stumbles back and she dials 9 1 1. And through tears, she screams the word no coherent. Should ever say, someone's murdered my baby.

[00:41:57] Kyle Risi: Wow.

[00:41:58] Adam Cox: Moments later, Reagan's father Marcus arrives at the house and Jessica begs him not to go inside.

She doesn't want him to see their daughter like that.

[00:42:06] Kyle Risi: Well, that's strong, isn't it? Like the mama's witness this and she's trying to protect the father.

[00:42:11] Adam Cox: He goes in anyway, and when he comes back out, all he can muster is why. Whilst collapsing on the driveway, clutching his chest,

[00:42:18] Kyle Risi: that's awful.

[00:42:19] Adam Cox: There was still another fear hanging everywhere.' Cause Reagan's daughter was supposed to be in that house too.

Marcus says that he could hear faint responses coming from deep inside the house. But neither he nor Jessica could bring themselves to step back through the blood covered living room. Eventually a family friend forces them, through the room and down the hallway and he finds Kinley hiding under a blanket in a bedroom.

She's perfectly safe, but she's asking, where's mommy? Essentially

[00:42:45] Kyle Risi: she knows exactly what's happened. The fact that she's hiding, she's obviously heard Vic commotion or she has gone down and seen and not understood.

[00:42:54] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm.

[00:42:55] Kyle Risi: Is awful. Awful. That's so heartbreaking.

[00:42:57] Adam Cox: At first, investigators believed they were dealing with just a brutal homicide.

But the moment, paramedics turned Reagan's body over that the case becomes something else entirely.

[00:43:07] Kyle Risi: So at this moment in time, they have no idea that the baby's been abducted.

[00:43:10] Adam Cox: Yeah. Obviously they assume that the baby's not gonna survive, but when they turn her over, they see that the unborn baby is gone.

The 21-year-old stomach had been cut open and the charge she'd been carrying for 35 weeks had been removed from her body.

The scene was horrifying 'cause blood covered the walls, the furniture, the floor, and investigators stepped carefully around pools of amniotic fluid while forensic teams worked to preserve evidence.

[00:43:36] Kyle Risi: Oh my God.

Did she even get through all that muscle to do the c-section? Do we know what she used? Does she use a scalpel or does she just butcher her with a knife?

[00:43:48] Adam Cox: She does use a scalpel. Yeah.

[00:43:50] Kyle Risi: That's a bit of premeditation right there already. Right,

[00:43:53] Adam Cox: exactly.

[00:43:54] Kyle Risi: She's prepared for it.

[00:43:55] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm. And everywhere, investigators look, they see signs that Reagan had fought desperately to survive.

Her hands were covered in cuts. There's defensive wounds. There's bruises that line. Her arms,

one finger had nearly been severed completely. Whoever attacked her, hadn't just killed her.

That tortured her Incredibly, it didn't take long for police to realise they already encountered the person responsible. 'cause less than an hour earlier, another hospital across state lines in Oklahoma had reported something deeply suspicious.

A woman claiming to have given birth on the side of the highway to a premature baby, and now suddenly everything is fitting together.

[00:44:33] Kyle Risi: Yeah. Wow. They did this quick then, didn't they? It's a very easy puzzle.

[00:44:37] Adam Cox: Exactly. Yeah. The woman in the hospital bed was Taylor Parker, and the baby she arrived with wasn't hers, it was Reagan, Hancock's daughter, Braxton Sage. Now investigators rushed to the hospital and confronted Taylor why she lay in a hospital bed, pretending to recover from childbirth.

At first, she tried to maintain the story, but it quickly fell apart because medical examinations had already confirmed that she was never pregnant. Eventually Taylor said that she had gone to Reagan's house and she had admitted that there had been a physical altercation, and she admitted she had taken the baby.

[00:45:10] Kyle Risi: Really?

[00:45:10] Adam Cox: Yes. But she also has, like I said, an explanation. an explanation. So she said it wasn't a murder, not a kidnapping, but some kind of tragic misunderstanding because according to Taylor, she had been suffering from migraines and blackouts, and which I think we've heard several murderers try and use as a get outta jail kind of car to say, oh, I blacked out. I don't remember.

[00:45:32] Kyle Risi: Yeah. I wasn't in control.

[00:45:33] Adam Cox: Yeah. Now she said that Reagan had invited her over to rest while Homer was at work, and then she said everything became blurry. She blacked out on the drive over and only vaguely remembered stumbling up the driveway before going in the house, which is obviously very convenient.

[00:45:48] Kyle Risi: Mm-hmm.

[00:45:48] Adam Cox: Now, Reagan grabbed her and started shouting out at her to wake up, and Taylor claimed there was a bit of a struggle, which broke out and then Reagan somehow fell and she was mortally injured.

And then came the bit that the investigators well found, almost impossible to listen to. ' cause Taylor says that Reagan was dying, begged her to save the baby, and was like, cut her out of me.

[00:46:09] Kyle Risi: But she's got all these defensive wounds on her and how can you explain that? You can't, hence why she's being busted, I'm assuming.

[00:46:17] Adam Cox: Exactly, 'cause Reagan had dozens of injuries. In fact, she had over a hundred stab wounds across her body, what 139 were concentrated around her head.

Her skull had been fractured in multiple places after being beaten with a blunt object. And the scalpel used to cut Braxton from her womb. Well, it hadn't been left on the side. It had been stuck back in Reagan's neck

[00:46:42] Kyle Risi: To finish her off, I'm assuming.

[00:46:44] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm.

[00:46:44] Kyle Risi: What an evil woman.

[00:46:46] Adam Cox: And then this bit is the bit that does break my heart because the autopsy reportedly found fragments of Reagan's fingernails embedded around the abdominal area near where Braxton had been removed.

And it proved that Reagan was actually alive when this all happened because she was fighting back.

She was doing whatever she could to protect her baby.

[00:47:07] Kyle Risi: Oh, I just got chills, Adam.

[00:47:10] Adam Cox: The struggle was so violent that fingernails were torn away in the process and suddenly Taylor's version of events, the idea that there was this, I don't know, this panicked attempt to save the baby, it was never going to stand up in court. No. This is premeditated and pure evil.

When the case finally does reach trial, Taylor's defence team didn't really try to argue that the fake pregnancy hadn't happened because by that point there was just so much evidence against her.

Instead, the defence focus on something else entirely. Her state of mind saying that Taylor was mentally unstable, suggesting that she'd become trapped inside this elaborate world of lies she created.

And at times the defence even shifted blame towards the people around her questioning why no one had gone to the police. If everyone suspected that she was faking a pregnancy

[00:47:55] Kyle Risi: because we're not accountable. We like a rational human being, would not know that another, evil woman like this would resort to these lengths to get hold of a baby.

No one would even fathom it like we tell stories about true crime all the time, and we got to the very end of that last episode and I was like, I did not see that coming.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Who would ever think that someone would go and abduct a baby from somebody's womb?

[00:48:19] Adam Cox: Exactly.

And in fact, faking a pregnancy,~ well,~ that's not illegal, but no one thought this would happen.

[00:48:25] Kyle Risi: And she was so convincing about that makes me so angry that the defence used that

[00:48:30] Adam Cox: It really bugs me when the defence like cling onto these really shitty, rubbish excuses when they know they are dealing with someone horrendous.

[00:48:39] Kyle Risi: Clearly. And how do you live with yourself? What kind of defence person clearly dealing with a pathological liar and an absolutely evil human being would sit there and go, I can defend this woman,

[00:48:51] Adam Cox: I dunno how

[00:48:52] Kyle Risi: it makes me so angry.

[00:48:54] Adam Cox: It makes me sick. Actually.

So the prosecutors, they argued that Taylor, believed that she was losing weight, so she returned to the one thing that had repeatedly pulled him back in.

And that was this pregnancy. And only this time, according to the state, she intended to carry the lie all the way through.

[00:49:11] Kyle Risi: Wow.

[00:49:11] Adam Cox: Now, prosecutors said that Taylor fabricated a due date, announced the pregnancy, publicly planned a gender reveal forged medical paperwork, and of course, create all those fake conversations between her and other family members.

[00:49:22] Kyle Risi: So at this point, a question I'd like to know is, did she fabricate all of that around her intention to take Reagan's baby or did she fabricate all of that and then had to find a woman that fitted that?

Because remember, I think it's the latter because remember, Reagan was only 35 weeks pregnant, right?

Mm-hmm. She had delayed her due date, by a couple weeks, probably waiting for the opportunity for Reagan to come closer to term, given the baby more chance to survive.

[00:49:52] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely.

Others had tried to warn Wade directly, but according to testimonies, later presented at trial, every concern was explained away as another attack orchestrated by Shona. And then someone sent Wade a message, an anonymous warning at first, which he dismissed it completely. What was that? Actually it was Taylor's ex-husband, Tommy.

[00:50:12] Kyle Risi: Oh.

[00:50:12] Adam Cox: He had messaged him saying, in fact,

[00:50:14] Kyle Risi: bitch run.

[00:50:15] Adam Cox: Well he said, I know for a fact that she isn't pregnant and is running out of time and I'm concerned how far she might go with this.

[00:50:22] Kyle Risi: Wow.

[00:50:23] Adam Cox: And he also, I think he said all hospitals are on high alert 'cause she may go to the extent of stealing a child.

[00:50:29] Kyle Risi: Yeah.

[00:50:30] Adam Cox: And so I think that was the worst that people were thinking at this point in time in terms of stealing a child from a hospital that already born. Sure.

[00:50:36] Kyle Risi: So you said in the first episode that obviously we know that Angela knew that she'd had this partial hysterectomy and she was dubious, right?

[00:50:43] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm.

[00:50:43] Kyle Risi: Then later on there was an anonymous, text that came through and I initially thought that was that Angela? Was that text? Tommy?

[00:50:50] Adam Cox: That's right. Yeah.

[00:50:51] Kyle Risi: Wow.

[00:50:52] Adam Cox: And so the prosecutors described that message from Tommy as a pivotal moment in the case because, it seemed that Wade had sent a screenshot of that to Taylor, saying, I've just got this.

And it's not long after that Taylor begins searching online for out of hospital births.

[00:51:07] Kyle Risi: Okay.

So she at this moment in time realises the walls are closing in.

And she has to do something. So that is the pivotable moment.

[00:51:14] Adam Cox: I think so, yeah. Then came to clinics, 'cause investigators later testified that Taylor visited multiple maternity related businesses in the weeks leading up to the murder.

Not always for treatment, sometimes just sitting in parking lots watching pregnant women come and go.

And prosecutors believed that by that point Taylor was hunting for a victim, and she'd also been researching how to carry out a c-section.

[00:51:36] Kyle Risi: That's awful. That's like slam dunk, isn't it?

[00:51:39] Adam Cox: Yeah.

And so she eventually settles on someone she already knew, Reagan, Simmons, Hancock, a woman who trusted her, confided in her, and welcomed her into her home.

And by the time the trial begins, the defence was like, well, an almost impossible position. There was so much evidence against Taylor, digital evidence, geolocation data, witness testimonies, medical evidence, jail recordings, search histories, fake

[00:52:04] Kyle Risi: jail, recordings.

[00:52:05] Adam Cox: We'll come onto that. Fake identities and forged documents, just painted the same picture. Now, one of the more fascinating witnesses is of course, Taylor's own mother, Shona.

[00:52:17] Kyle Risi: Mm-hmm.

[00:52:17] Adam Cox: Because throughout her relationship with wage is made out to be obviously this villain,

[00:52:21] Kyle Risi: this mobster,

[00:52:22] Adam Cox: yeah.

[00:52:23] Kyle Risi: Crime Lord Underground, evil woman.

[00:52:26] Adam Cox: Exactly. And she was the root, cause of all the evil and everything that's going wrong in their, their life.

[00:52:30] Kyle Risi: Please tell me, should just like a regular old lady who likes to do flower arranging and cross stitch,

[00:52:35] Adam Cox: As far as I'm aware, yes. In terms of she's just a regular woman. She confirms there's no like big family fortune. There's no millions waiting to be released.

[00:52:44] Kyle Risi: And Wade is like, oh

[00:52:45] Adam Cox: yeah,

interestingly, she does describe years of these fabricated stories and increasingly elaborate lies that, Taylor's always said,

[00:52:53] Kyle Risi: yeah, my daughter's a pathological liar.

[00:52:55] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm. And shown insisted that she had been warning people long before Reagan's murder, that Taylor was not pregnant herself.

[00:53:02] Kyle Risi: How, what do you mean?

[00:53:03] Adam Cox: I guess, well, she knew about, her daughter going under her ectomy, of

[00:53:06] Kyle Risi: course, but we didn't hear any of those concerns in the first episode.

[00:53:09] Adam Cox: We knew there were rumours and other people in speculation and stuff like that, people posting online, friends of Taylor saying, we know you're not pregnant, so they may have even spoken to Shona.

So it was there, but I think because Taylor had, planted the seed that Shona is evil, no one's kind of even listening to her.

[00:53:26] Kyle Risi: Yeah.

[00:53:27] Adam Cox: She says that she just figured that Wade would eventually figure it out and that the lie would be exposed.

[00:53:33] Kyle Risi: The man will eventually figure it out wrong.

[00:53:36] Adam Cox: Yeah, and I think, yeah, she put a little too much faith in Wade and that's the real sort of tragedy,

[00:53:41] Kyle Risi: I don't know, it just feels like, I get it. It's concerning. But then it was also, sometimes it's not completely your business, but then also you have no idea how far it's gonna go.

And then also a part of these excuses, her saying, I figured that Wade would figure it out. It's kind of also passed in the buck as well.

[00:53:58] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm.

[00:53:59] Kyle Risi: I don't know, in hindsight, there's probably more you could have done, but then at the same time, you probably didn't realise how far this would go.

[00:54:06] Adam Cox: I think that's it.

No one did.

And so with this kind of damning evidence, instead of trying to prove that Taylor was innocent, the defence team knew they couldn't do that. What they tried to focus on was keeping her off death row.

[00:54:18] Kyle Risi: Oh no, she's facing the death penalty here.

[00:54:21] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm.

[00:54:22] Kyle Risi: I guess she's been tried in what, Texas or Oklahoma where she was arrested, and they had the death penalty.

[00:54:29] Adam Cox: Yeah. That, that's right. And to be fair, like the defense's, closing arguments apparently only lasted like eight minutes.

[00:54:36] Kyle Risi: No.

[00:54:37] Adam Cox: Yeah.

[00:54:37] Kyle Risi: Okay. That means there's a slam dunk. She's guilty. Right?

[00:54:40] Adam Cox: Pretty much. There's not much that they can do. All they could do is try and not get her. Yeah. Capital punishment.

The thing is the defence team tried to challenge like technicalities with the case. Mm-hmm. Most notably they said that Brax and Sage had legally never been alive because she was never born. And so therefore you couldn't kidnap a person.

[00:55:00] Kyle Risi: That is bullshit.

[00:55:01] Adam Cox: I know

[00:55:02] Kyle Risi: that's, you've literally taken the baby out from his mother and taken it away.

[00:55:06] Adam Cox: Yes. And then doctors also said that Braxton had a heartbeat after being removed from Reagan.

She was alive and so the hospital team had tried to work on her for hours. So Yeah. Put that in your pipe and smoker.

Shitty defence team.

[00:55:20] Kyle Risi: Yeah, exactly. So what would've been if like she had just stolen someone's kidney?

I guess you can't get death row for that. They're trying to say that baby Braxton is no different than someone going in slicing your back open and taking your kidney. That's what they're trying to say here.

[00:55:36] Adam Cox: The fact that's what they're resorting to.

[00:55:37] Kyle Risi: And Adam, that is so shocking ' cause we're talking Texas and Oklahoma who are probably very anti-abortion.

A big Christian population, right? Mm-hmm. I'm shocked ~that ~that is the defence that they chose to go down and I wouldn't be surprised if they are Texas lawyers that deep down inside, they even believe that if they're from that area,

[00:55:58] Adam Cox: quite possibly. I have no idea. Yeah.

[00:56:00] Kyle Risi: They just will, people will just put aside their morals and their ethics ~aside for ju ~aside just to win a case. Mm-hmm. Guarantee you that's sickening.

[00:56:08] Adam Cox: Yeah. And so going into this trial, because one of the possible outcomes was going to be the death penalty. Mm-hmm. Which you would expect to make Taylor think about her next actions, what she was gonna say, what she was gonna do.

Yeah. You know, try and being good behaviour. But according to the jail staff, therapists and inmates, uh, while she was waiting for her trial, Taylor never stopped scheming even behind bars.

She began trying to control the narrative surrounding the case. She told different inmates different stories.

She said that she had been framed, she claimed that Reagan had attacked her first, and then she says that other people were involved.

And at times she portrays herself as the real victim. And then she also tries to recruit fellow inmates to help her create fake evidence for her trial. Like what? Well, it's bizarre.

Apparently Taylor wrote multiple so-called confession letters, supposedly from the perspective of the real killer. And the letters described an alternative version of events involving gangs, kidnappings, drugging, surveillance, and orchestrated all by a fellow inmate that Taylor was in prison with. At that same time.

she was basically trying to get another inmate to take the fall.

[00:57:21] Kyle Risi: This is wild, Adam. what she was doing in prison, did that make it to the courtroom?

[00:57:26] Adam Cox: I think it did because what I said earlier, like all the evidence that was stacked up against her, they used this to show that she was still manipulating and trying to orchestrate what was going on.

She was saying that there was these gang members like J Dog, Doughboy and Kodiak, and there were claims that she had been abducted from the side of the road, forced into Reagan's house and was made to remove the baby while Reagan begged her to save it. Isn't that shocking?

[00:57:52] Kyle Risi: It is so shocking and it's just so wild. This has got to be the most bizarre, most horrifying case we have ever done on the compendium in the three years that we've done it. 100%. Mm-hmm.

[00:58:04] Adam Cox: Totally.

And so prosecutors, they look at the letters and they say there's details in here. Only the real killer could have known specific injuries that from Reagan's or autopsy, details about weapons investigators believed were used information about evidence missing from the crime scene.

And they say that Taylor tried to manipulate, like I said, fellow inmates into helping sell the story.

One inmate testifies against Taylor asking her to plant a fake suicide note in another woman's jail cell in attempt to frame her for the murders.

So I dunno how she thought she can get away with it, but again, I think it's just her brain that's going, like, what do I do next?

[00:58:39] Kyle Risi: Yeah. And she's not thinking things through. So let me just get this straight. She got another inmate to plan a suicide letter in another person's cell who she was planning on pinning the murder on.

[00:58:49] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm.

[00:58:49] Kyle Risi: Question, did she even check to see if this person that she was trying to pin this on was even free?

[00:58:56] Adam Cox: I don't,

[00:58:57] Kyle Risi: she's no. I was right here in myself. But then it's a suicide letter. So she then needs to follow through and now she has to get this person to a, kill themselves or kill this person to make it look like it's a suicide.

What is she thinking? I,

[00:59:10] Adam Cox: I generally

[00:59:12] Kyle Risi: have no idea. It's too elaborate.

[00:59:13] Adam Cox: It's, isn't it? It's just

[00:59:14] Kyle Risi: everything is just so

[00:59:15] Adam Cox: far-fetched

[00:59:16] Kyle Risi: bat shit. Crazy.

[00:59:18] Adam Cox: At one point prosecutors said that Taylor claims she had a Netflix documentary deal waiting for her after the trial, which is sort of true. That is true, but I don't think she's getting any money for that.

[00:59:27] Kyle Risi: No, absolutely not.

[00:59:28] Adam Cox: And finally, prosecutors argued that if she could manipulate people this effectively inside a county jail,

[00:59:34] Kyle Risi: effectively, effectively,

[00:59:36] Adam Cox: well, she got people to plant. Yeah.

[00:59:38] Kyle Risi: Okay. True. Yes.

[00:59:39] Adam Cox: She's still trying to pull the strings, essentially. And if she can do that this well, even though, yes, obviously it's not believable, but she's still doing it inside a prison. She could continue doing it for the rest of her life.

And that became the core of the state's argument for execution because she had shown no remorse. She was still a future danger, and it wasn't about, what she had done is about what she's capable of doing.

[01:00:02] Kyle Risi: Yeah. And the fact that, yeah, the lack of remorse, right?

Mm-hmm. It's just, I'm gonna keep digging. I will eventually dig myself out of this

[01:00:11] Adam Cox: exactly. And so whilst the defence begged jurors to believe that Taylor was still human, but just deeply flawed, Ooh.

I don't think any of them bought that, because during most of the trial, all they see is this calm, still detached motionless woman.

And so on November the ninth, 2022, that changed after just over an hour, the jury deliberates and they make the final decision that she's guilty and that she will face death

[01:00:35] Kyle Risi: Wow. So she is on death row,

[01:00:38] Adam Cox: and that's the first time that she breaks down. She bursts into tears and her hands are shaking.

And I guess now for the first time in however many years, there's no lie left to tell, no new story was coming to save her.

[01:00:52] Kyle Risi: Yeah. It's incredible how this is the moment that she breaks down. But she's literally robbed a young 21-year-old mother of her baby. Her foetus brutalised her and ripped that baby out.

Where was the emotion when that was being said in court, even if you did not do it, having to sit there and listen to that being recounted about what had happened. Was she emotional then? No. Probably not. It's difficult for us to not be emotional listening to it.

Right. And we weren't even there.

[01:01:19] Adam Cox: Mm-hmm.

[01:01:20] Kyle Risi: Okay. So she's on death row.

[01:01:22] Adam Cox: Yeah.

[01:01:23] Kyle Risi: Is she dead yet?

[01:01:24] Adam Cox: She's not. and As for today, Taylor still remains on death row in Texas where she continues to pursue appeals. And hopefully they will not be upheld.

But for Reagan Hancock's family, no verdict was ever going to feel like a victory. No sentence can bring Reagan or Braxton back,

[01:01:41] Kyle Risi: Kiley's mother.

[01:01:42] Adam Cox: Yeah.

[01:01:42] Kyle Risi: Don't forget about Kinley.

[01:01:43] Adam Cox: And Homer now continues to raise Kinley by himself. And by all accounts, he has worked tirelessly to make sure Reagan and Braxton are not forgotten.

Reagan is still remembered as a devoted mother, a loving daughter, a loyal friend, and someone who worked hard for the life she was building.

And Braxton Sage remains a part of that story too, as a little girl who was loved long before she was ever born.

[01:02:06] Kyle Risi: Yeah.

[01:02:06] Adam Cox: And in many ways, that's what makes this case so difficult to comprehend, because it's the fact that one person's desperate need to maintain a lie, destroyed an entire family's future.

And while Taylor Parker's name will probably always be attached to the story, the people worth remembering are Reagan, Hancock and Braxton Sage.

[01:02:25] Kyle Risi: This is the thing that always makes these stories so difficult because the people that deserve to be remembered here are all the people you've just said,

And yet to post this episode up there with Reagan's name on it, like it doesn't get the traction right. It's because the people are gonna be remembering the notoriety, the notorious Taylor Parker.

We had this conundrum with the Oscar Pastorius. Right. Should it be Oscar Pastorius whose name is on that episode?

That's the question. Right? It should be Riva St. Stink. Have, she was the victim here. She's the one that should be remembered.

And yet, in light of this tragedy, the vehicle of getting her story out there to finding out the horrors of what happened to her. Unfortunately, that vehicle has to be Taylor's name, right?

[01:03:09] Adam Cox: That's why I want people to remember when they take away from the story.

[01:03:12] Kyle Risi: Yeah.

But it is nice that you've got this little section to remember her Really?

[01:03:16] Adam Cox: Yeah. One last thing on, Taylor, which I did thought was interesting, or at least the kind of American punishment or capital punishment system that I think she's like the seventh person on death row in Texas or Oklahoma.

[01:03:29] Kyle Risi: Really?

[01:03:29] Adam Cox: Or woman? I think it might be

[01:03:30] Kyle Risi: Uhhuh.

[01:03:31] Adam Cox: But there's other women on death row that have been on there for ~like ~29 or 30 years.

[01:03:35] Kyle Risi: Yeah. It's a slow burner.

[01:03:37] Adam Cox: So you think, what's the point? I don't understand why, obviously maybe for new evidence to come to light and stuff like that. I understand you might have to give time, but in Taylor's case, I don't think there's gonna be any new evidence.

[01:03:49] Kyle Risi: I mean, it's such an interesting question. What would you prefer. As someone who has been sentenced to death row, would you rather be sentenced to death and have it done very quickly or would you rather have 20 years and then be executed with the slight chance that you knew evidence could come or would, you could be qui or whatever, but as the family of, Reagan, would you rather her be alive and know that she's suffering in prison never with the option of ever being let out, and then at the end to face execution, it's real tricky.

Or would you want her to be executed straight away? I don't know. I dunno.

[01:04:25] Adam Cox: I dunno if there is any of those answers or solutions Actually would give them any piece.

[01:04:31] Kyle Risi: Yeah.

I mean, well, US system is designed to make executions happen only off like a long chain of appeals and reviews. I mean, it's checks and balances in a way. it's so that the state is as certain as possible before carrying out any like irreversible punishment.

cause at the end of the day, as horrific as this is. There could have been someone therefore also to do this. Right. It's very unlikely. But this is the reason why they have the system as they have it.

[01:04:55] Adam Cox: Yeah. And I get, for other crimes, we know that, new evidence has come to light and people have been released, not necessarily on death row, but in case of just other crimes.

So I do get that.

[01:05:06] Kyle Risi: And she's entitled to her mandatory appeals as well. So that has to be afforded to her regardless of whether or not they're successful or not. But she does have a right to these appeals and post-conviction challenges, habeas corpus as well, petitions, and these delays in scheduling, execute, they all kind of play a part in scheduling these executions in the end.

And once I guess those are all exhausted, that's when she will then get her comeuppance.

And right now sounds like she's done this, almost certainly, right? Mm-hmm. Um, it's irrefutable and so I, I guess bring it on.

[01:05:40] Adam Cox: It's just a waiting game now.

[01:05:42] Kyle Risi: Yeah.

[01:05:42] Adam Cox: And that is the story of Taylor Parker and the horrific murder of Reagan, Hancock and Brexton sage,

[01:05:50] Kyle Risi: ~Adam, ~I'll say it again.

That's probably the most horrific story we have ever done.

What a rollercoaster of all the emotions, the outrage in the first episode of all the lies. And clearly she's lying to the escalation of what that escalated to, that I honestly still did not see coming.

And then just the infuriating lack of remorse and the continued lies and all the red flags in the second episode.

[01:06:16] Adam Cox: Yeah.

[01:06:16] Kyle Risi: Is awful. And poor, Paul Reagan.

[01:06:19] Adam Cox: absolutely like researching this, it was kind of almost laughable when you read the lies and you learn about those mm-hmm. Kind of thing. Like who would go through this. But it is the horrific end that we dealt with and yeah. I just hope this never happens again.

[01:06:34] Kyle Risi: Yeah. You did say like, you have never heard of these foetal abductions, but you said they'd been like 35 or something over or something,

[01:06:41] Adam Cox: 10 or 15 years, something like that.

And it typically comes down to these women who, as a last resort, from what I could tell, have to provide a baby because they are so obsessed or they want to keep a man. And unfortunately that seems like ~a, ~a common reason for some of this.

[01:06:58] Kyle Risi: Yeah. Horrendous. And I mean, the thing that sticks out from the first episode is I think she had done something really outrageous and I was like, that is shocking.

And you were like, if you're shocked in that, and boy am I shocked, it's heartbreaking. I can't stop thinking about Paul Reagan and what she must have gone through on that day and the defensive wounds

[01:07:17] Adam Cox: trying to do all she can. Yeah,

[01:07:19] Kyle Risi: she did. She did everything she could. Awful, awful. Okay, so you said there's a documentary coming out.

Tell me about it. When's that coming out, Adam?

[01:07:28] Adam Cox: So there is a documentary on Netflix called Maternal Instinct, which tells the true story. And that should be, well, it's either just been released or it's roundabout now, so go check Netflix. It should be on there by now. Ah,

[01:07:42] Kyle Risi: I see. I always love it when you time, like a documentary to a release, because I get to watch the documentary to see what a good job you did

[01:07:49] Adam Cox: or not a good job.

Yeah. Hopefully. I've,

[01:07:52] Kyle Risi: I don't think you've ever done a bad job. In fact, sometimes, like I think Adam did a really good job

[01:07:58] Adam Cox: in

[01:07:59] Kyle Risi: telling a better story than the Netflix did.

[01:08:01] Adam Cox: Thanks. I get a gold star.

[01:08:04] Kyle Risi: Uh, but what a title. Maternal instinct, I mean mean that doesn't really sit well

[01:08:08] Adam Cox: with it.

It, it doesn't actually, when you think about it, that's not maternal instinct.

[01:08:12] Kyle Risi: Yeah.

[01:08:12] Adam Cox: That's killer instinct.

[01:08:13] Kyle Risi: Yeah. That's it. Eternal killer instinct.

[01:08:16] Adam Cox: ~Hmm. ~

[01:08:16] Kyle Risi: Yeah. You fancy running the outro then.

[01:08:18] Adam Cox: Yeah. And that brings us to the end of another fascinating fray into the compendium. An assembly of fascinating things.

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[01:08:54] Adam Cox: We drop new episodes every Tuesday, so until then when somebody builds their life around a lie, there's no telling how far they'll go when the truth starts closing in. Yeah,

[01:09:05] Kyle Risi: we'll see you next time.

[01:09:06] Adam Cox: See ya.